Interview with Dennis aka Toor

I’ve been trying to get a hold of Dennis for a long time. I actually started writing this blog mainly because I wanted to find some answers about the CIP hack.

If you dont know about Dennis, he was the owner a server called Realots, a server which used real CIP files. These files were obtained in 2006 when the 7.7v got ‘hacked’.

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Interview

1. How did you acquire the CIP files? Rumor has it that you, or someone you know socially engineered the hosting company many years ago. How many people were involved?

I did it by myself. Initial penetration by social engineering. Their old hosting company allowed an administrative contact change for their account. I pretended to be a CIPsoft employee “on call” needing a password change. They asked me for the IP number and the name of the owner for the account and they made the change. I used a password recovery and gained access to a vast amount of tickets, some of them containing plain text IPs and passwords to KVM devices. That led to the compromise. However I didn’t compromise player accounts.

2. Another important question that people are wondering is who has the files besides you. From what I’ve gathered its you, Simone, Remere, GrizZmo and Iryont?

I dont want to answer that question. It’s a matter of safety. Referenced people may be subjected to attacks to obtain the files.

3. Some of the hacked files were leaked at some point. All the NPC files and the world map are available to download. Did you or someone you know leak it?

A select few had the map, monsters and NPC (amoung them an otfans admin and sim0ne). I’m guessing they released it.

4. You decided to use the files with your open tibia server, to mimic the conditions of tibia as it was in 2006, how usable were the raw files at first? Was it hard formatting them to be compatible with otserv? Anyone help you with that?

Sim0ne helped me convert the map and make sense of monsters but eventually we figured out the protocol to run the real thing.

5. You used the files with your server, were you worried about legal troubles? Did CIP ever threaten you or contact you regarding using their stolen data?

Cipsoft has always known that I ran the server. I had occasional correspondence with them about it and by not taking action they condoned it. It made legal action unlikely if not impossible due to their previous inaction. So I wasn’t worried about it. In law, if you want to be able to enforce a right you have to defend that right. If your actions are to the contrary you lose the option to enforce it.

6. There was a rumor you singed a legal contract to not distribute the files?

Ulrich Schlott(Durin) was intending to send me paperwork that would keep me from releasing material in exchange for legal immunity but it never came to that.

7. You made lots of money from your server by using the CIP files, can you give an estimate of how much?

I used to gross 4-5K/ euros a month during RealOTS peak time. It totals to alot.

8. Any truth that Doonark(Ryan) was going to buy a copy of realots for 5k Euros?

True, but the deal bounced.

9. What do you say to all the people who claim to have cipsoft files and open up servers saying they are 100% 7.7. Do you think they just have the npcs and map files while all the other aspects are recreated?

They just have the NPCs and map files and have to guess everything else. Almost no one has all files. There is just one other person with the complete distribution 😉

10. Having seen the codes, and other aspects that go along in quests, do you think that cip edited anything after the breach since you had inside knowledge on stuff that was unknown or undiscovered at that time?

Undoubtedly things have changed. At the time there were many unfinished quests as well.

11. When you first saw the files, were you surprised by anything? Did you expect anything to be or not be there?

I was surprised that spells were hard coded into the game rather than configurable. Same for formula’s, runes, etc. It meant that Cipsoft had to recompile and deploy a new version of the game server every time they wanted to make a change. For me it made things very tedious to edit.

12. Anything you wish people know that you know due to you seeing the files?

Two things: 1) Gamel is a rebel and 2) The sword of Fury _is_ obtainable but it’s very rare and extremely tough. The code detailing the quest (except for how to make it disappear) is in no one’s possession.

13. Who is Gamel? ;O

You should ask the guard Chester Kahs about him 😉

12. Favorite moment while hosting realots?
Definitely the creation of Kipsaté, a fast running chicken that spawned a whole myth with players chasing it to figure out its secrets.

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13. Why did Iryont stop hosting realots?

I guess due to the workload. It’s very time intensive to make modifications to the server, requiring a lot of dedication.

14. What do you do for a living, and how did you start tibia?

In daily live I’m a lead programmer. I started on Balera when it was launched. 2005 I think. Great server until PvP ended.

15. Since your bringing realots back again, did you know that Ryan West is ddosing every old school server, do you think you will have a problem with him?

I doubt it. It will be a multiproxy setup so no DDoS can ever touch the actual server and at most temporarily disrupt the players of a single proxy.

12. Anything you wish to add?

Shoutouts to: Alvaro aka “Magz”, legendary mage and long time friend. One of the very very few people who have ever held a magic longsword and gave it back. Rodrigudo aka “Trenshy Master” who always had my back and was a role model in many ways, and to Simao aka “Smith Icarus” who risked it all to protect the innocent and serve justice.

There you have it :v)

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Interview with Iryont aka .3lite

Took a few months but here it is 🙂

Iryont has been known for hosting the following servers. Due to the popularity of these servers, he makes perfect sense as someone to interview.

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1. When did tibia enter your life?

I’ve started playing Tibia back in 2003/2004 or so, it was version 7.3+. I’ve played on Hiberna and some other servers. But I only had max of 60 level.

2. You were involved in others servers besides the ones you run now, Classic tibia who was run by you and Remere, and also a server called tibianic 7.1?

I was creating Tibianic before even ClassicTibia came out, but when it did come out I’ve stopped working and switched to tibianic 7.1 server just out of fun I guess.
The server went down because there was no point in hosting it, Remere had an option to donate for the server but since people had everything in game for free there was no point in donating.
In the end, basically Remere didn’t like how people acted. It was rather a lack of faith in people.

3. During my research I saw you wrote that you stopped working on tibianic 7.1 due to protocol limits, can you explain more?

It’s more or less about the possibilities which client can provide and in the case of 7.1 client it was very limited, though, it depends what client you would use – the real one (7.1) or newer one with sprites of 7.1 Tibia, in the second case it wouldn’t be a problem.
To be honest I don’t remember exactly what stopped me from working on server with 7.1 client since it was long time ago (like 4 years by now) so I can guess but it was probably something important or I just abandoned it for possibility to launch and focus on 7.4 server.

4. How did you start on Tibianic 7.4?

I believe I took the 8.x source files from the trunk and just started working on them downgrading the protocol. I believe it was right after CT went down, so I would say it’s way over 2 years by now.

5. You made everything by your self? All aspects of the server?

I had to, I’m kind of person who doesn’t like working with others too much.

6. You opened tibianic 7.4 in 2010, how was the beginning like?

I guess I had several problems back then since it was basically first test over large group of people.

7. Did you use Denni’s files?

Not his files exactly (realots + customs things) but rather a clean Cipsoft server with my own work.

8. How long do you plan on hosting realots?

As long as there will be people willing to play it, though, the current version is already offline – I will be moving all characters to my own server due to all the problems with the original one.

9. How long do you expect people to play it?

I have no idea but it’s pretty much up to them if this server will be a long-term server or not because you can’t just stop playing the server and expect it to be on-line forever, you are the one who is keeping the server up and running.

10. Why do you believe it is better to have multiple servers rather than just one?

If you are capable to run several servers then why wouldn’t you do it? It’s about the fact that not everyone wants to play a low rate server, some guys just want to have fun rather than spending a lot of time on training or gaining experience.

11. How does realots and tibianic differ from each other?

The game play differences aren’t enough? More powerful mages due to wands and rods and pretty much a lot of other things? If not, then I suppose there isn’t much difference expect the rates.

10. How much longer do you think you will be interested in tibia?

The time I’ve been working on Open Tibia I consider as time I’ve spent to learn things especially when I was (practically I still am) an OT developer – working on something like that with a lot of smart people like Remere even if you do it for free gives you the great experience which will be valuable for you in future and if you are smart enough the knowledge you gain during the time you spent on it will help you in real life to get a decent job.

How long will I be interested in Tibia? Well, I’m not really interested in Tibia at all but it gives me great pleasure to keep my oldest server up and running for the people playing there.

11. What do you think the open tibia community will look like in 2 years? 5 years?

I guess it will eventually die out, unless there will be more developers to work on Open Tibia because nowadays there is practically no active person left.

12. I see that you and remere were the last ones remaining to keep updating the sourceforge open tibia software.

There aren’t many developers right now.
I was only updating some critical bugs.
I’ve never added any feature or something like that.
I was rather making the server more stable

Who is destroying the old school community?

There is a  person who is destroying whats left of the small community just so he can earn some money. Most of you know what I’am about to write about, so this would be just a confirmation.

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One reason why people played oldera is because Ryan would ddos all other competitors. Some hosters payed hundredths of euros for their hosts, and he would just constantly ddos’d them and eventually killed their player base. He even ddos’d tibianic for a few days straight to get more players.

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If you look at tibanic’s facebook fan page, you can see they even had to switch hosts in late Novemeber because of the Ddos.

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The following is skype convo’s proof of him ddosing multiple servers such as Antica, Last-world, Faloria, and Tibianic, at the end of last year. These OT’s were popular in November of 2012. The following  small cuts of convo’s are only relevant to this topic, so i left out months of chat. If you have an old school server and its getting ddos’d, 90% chance its Ryan.

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(All the different aliases are Ryan. He just frequently changes his name on Skype)

[11/2/2012 5:45:22 PM] ry: whats this last-world
[11/2/2012 5:47:52 PM] ry: ive put it down for a while just now

[11/2/2012 6:40:23 PM] ry: downing last world again

[11/4/2012 6:57:01 PM] SammyNSC: ryanpro
[11/4/2012 7:17:25 PM] ry: ryanpro?
[11/4/2012 7:24:43 PM] SammyNSC: yeah ryanpro
[11/4/2012 7:30:10 PM] ry: ?????????????
[11/4/2012 7:30:25 PM] SammyNSC: your league of legends name silly
[11/4/2012 7:30:30 PM] ry: ohhhh
[11/4/2012 7:30:34 PM] ry: but that is MY NOOB ACCOUNT
[11/4/2012 7:30:38 PM] ry: fail inspector sammy
[11/4/2012 7:30:48 PM] SammyNSC: LOL
[11/4/2012 7:31:17 PM] ry: RYANDRo
[11/4/2012 7:31:18 PM] ry: is my account
[11/4/2012 7:31:21 PM] ry: but gets banned constantly
[11/4/2012 7:31:22 PM] ry: so yea

[11/6/2012 4:36:29 PM] Vennu Mallesh: kk
[11/6/2012 4:36:37 PM] Vennu Mallesh: edit the advert main post appriopate
[11/6/2012 4:37:03 PM] Vennu Mallesh: can i use ur otland acc?
[11/6/2012 4:37:14 PM] Vennu Mallesh: ill use usa proxy
[11/6/2012 4:37:14 PM] SammyNSC: nope

[11/6/2012 4:38:45 PM] Vennu Mallesh: im teh marketing prrrrrrro
[11/6/2012 4:38:56 PM] Vennu Mallesh: spam all tibia forums
[11/6/2012 4:38:59 PM] Vennu Mallesh: i do that 2
[11/6/2012 4:39:12 PM] Vennu Mallesh: tibiabotng, blackdtools, official tibia world forums
[11/6/2012 4:39:13 PM] Vennu Mallesh: etc

[11/7/2012 11:28:39 PM] Vennu Mallesh: Latest Last World 7.72 News
[11/7/2012 11:28:40 PM] Vennu Mallesh: lol
[11/7/2012 11:29:11 PM] Vennu Mallesh: the guy has a dynamic ip
[11/7/2012 11:29:13 PM] Vennu Mallesh: so annoying
[11/7/2012 11:29:20 PM] Vennu Mallesh: so he just resets modem other ip and i have to ddos it again
[11/7/2012 11:29:23 PM] Vennu Mallesh: as his ip changed

[11/7/2012 11:32:18 PM] Vennu Mallesh: yea but i have loadsa bots whom have different ips

[11/8/2012 1:30:30 PM] Vennu Mallesh: its all in source sand im not editing sources
[11/8/2012 1:30:33 PM] Vennu Mallesh: as server is stable as it is
[11/8/2012 1:34:33 PM] Vennu Mallesh: i dont even have to dos lastword anymore lol
[11/8/2012 1:34:37 PM] Vennu Mallesh: just 0 players now

[11/27/2012 6:40:15 PM] Ryan: last world sky rocketed 2
[11/27/2012 6:40:26 PM] Ryan: antica 2
[11/27/2012 6:40:31 PM] Ryan: and if they would nt get ddosed
[11/27/2012 6:40:36 PM] Ryan: they were pro serv
[11/27/2012 6:40:39 PM] Ryan: 200+ playersfor sure
[11/27/2012 6:46:38 PM] SammyNSC: yeah indeed
[11/27/2012 6:46:46 PM] SammyNSC: but it wont matter if ppl know its you lol
[11/27/2012 6:46:55 PM] SammyNSC: your whole plan if based on ppl not knowing its ur server
[11/27/2012 6:47:27 PM] Ryan: ye
[11/27/2012 6:47:37 PM] Ryan: witch hunt without reasonnnnn lol
[11/27/2012 6:48:38 PM] SammyNSC: yeah totally uncalled for and illogical with hunt against u
[11/27/2012 6:48:51 PM] Ryan: kinda
[11/27/2012 6:48:57 PM] Ryan: tell me what i did wrong
[11/27/2012 6:49:00 PM] SammyNSC: LOL
[11/27/2012 6:49:03 PM] SammyNSC: u serious?
[11/27/2012 6:49:06 PM] Ryan: ye
[11/27/2012 6:49:19 PM] SammyNSC: i dont think its something u can fix
[11/27/2012 6:49:23 PM] SammyNSC: ur naturally evil
[11/27/2012 6:49:36 PM] Ryan: lol i just dont take shit too serious
[11/27/2012 6:49:53 PM] Ryan: annnnnnny way
[11/27/2012 6:49:57 PM] Ryan: come vent cuz

[11/27/2012 6:51:15 PM] Ryan: i wont talk to player
[11/27/2012 6:51:22 PM] Ryan: u do the cooll stuff
[11/27/2012 6:51:31 PM] Ryan: i jjust do bugs and doatoions
[11/27/2012 6:51:50 PM] SammyNSC: if u do donations manually u will break lol
[11/27/2012 6:51:54 PM] SammyNSC: i can see it already
[11/27/2012 6:51:59 PM] SammyNSC: cant u do them automatically?
[11/27/2012 6:54:02 PM] Ryan: break?
[11/27/2012 6:55:01 PM] SammyNSC: like insult them or ban them lol
[11/27/2012 6:55:07 PM] SammyNSC: ppl msg u in ditch
[11/27/2012 6:55:08 PM] SammyNSC: dutch
[11/27/2012 6:55:13 PM] SammyNSC: and u reply back in dutch
[11/27/2012 6:55:18 PM] SammyNSC: u easy to bait

[11/27/2012 9:42:32 PM] SammyNSC: i mean realistically how long u want to have this serv for?
[11/27/2012 9:42:39 PM] SammyNSC: depends on how long ppl find out its u lol
[11/27/2012 9:42:49 PM] Ryan: ye i duno
[11/27/2012 9:42:56 PM] Ryan: aslsog i get moeyyy
[11/27/2012 9:43:12 PM] Ryan: jjjst depends o that

[11/29/2012 12:07:45 AM] Ryan: kkk
[11/29/2012 11:06:29 PM] Ryan: why
[11/29/2012 11:06:32 PM] Ryan: did thread get deleted lol
[11/29/2012 11:06:37 PM] Ryan: fking corrupt znote shit gays

[12/7/2012 3:48:26 PM] SammyNSC: mastercores new server out?
[12/7/2012 3:48:29 PM] Noo-Noo: ye
[12/7/2012 3:48:30 PM] Noo-Noo: took it dwn
[12/7/2012 3:48:38 PM] SammyNSC: figured as much
[12/11/2012 11:51:05 AM] hou je bek: so hows this faloria
[12/11/2012 11:51:13 AM] hou je bek: they bought dedi at same hosting company as they did
[12/11/2012 11:51:15 AM] hou je bek: the bastards 😛
[12/11/2012 11:51:24 AM] hou je bek: they just completely block udp that sacccccccccks balls

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Now this is just convo’s of about 40 days, and even though it only shows him admitting to attacking a couple of servers, almost every old school server gets ddos’d by him.

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I’ll drop this here as well. It’s a screen shot of his desktop, him having his vpn open, you can also see his skype name at the bottom, and his original IP.

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I wrote this because I’am tired of seeing this community get smaller and smaller. I believe that Ryan is a big part of this problem. I hope that by writing this people will stop playing his servers so he can hopefully go away. He lacks the social skills to run a successful server and thinks that by having superior files he can get more players. Its easy to spot his shitty servers if you played them, he is also easily tricked and most people can already tell which new server is his. So whats my solution? I would say best thing to do is to stop playing his servers. I can easily tell which ones are his, just msg me on Otland if you are unsure and I will flat out tell you my opinion if its him or not.  I hope the mods on Otland will ban his threads, and Xin on otserv can remove his servers as well. (dropped his skype, his IP, and lol account names on purpose)